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SERVICEMAN'S LOG
Some customers can be a real pain
There is a good deal more to the service game
than learning how to service TV sets, video
recorders & other odd appliances which turn
up from time to time. One also has to learn
how to deal with customers – and that can
sometimes be a lot harder!
To be fair, most customers are not
hard to get on with – not deliberately,
anyway. Granted, their naive ideas
about electronic equipment and their
clumsy attempts to describe symptoms can sometimes prove extremely
frustrating but one learns to live with
that. And a patient approach usually
wins out in the end.
But as I’m sure any of my colleagues
will testify, every once in a while one
encounters a really nasty one; someone
who deliberately sets out to be as hard
to get on with as possible. I imagine
that, basically, it stems from an almost
paranoid suspi
cion that all service
personnel – plumbers, electricians,
motor mechanics and, of course, TV
technicians – are rogues intent on
ripping off the customer.
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Well, no doubt some of them
are; it would be foolish to believe
otherwise. And a healthy suspicion
on the part of the customer is good
protection –caveat emptor (let the
buyer beware) and all that, as they
say in the classics.
But “all that” needs to be tempered
with some discretion and common
sense. The customer needs to take a
little time and ask a few polite questions before reaching a conclusion. An
honest technician will give logical,
easy-to-understand answers; he has
nothing to fear.
How it started
OK, so what started all this? First,
in order that the reader can follow
the story, it is necessary to provide a
little background, before getting to the
nitty-gritty.
Some three or four years ago, a
local dealer began handling Grundig
TV sets. The Grundig is an up-market
European brand which first appeared
on the Australian market with the
advent of colour TV. It remained on
the market for a few years and then
just seemed to fade away.
The next I heard of Grundig was
when the local dealer began stocking
them. Initially, I had no particular
interest in them until about a year ago
when the dealer approached me about
a set, still on his showroom floor, that
was giving trouble. And, exhibiting
an almost child-like confidence in my
skill, he declared it was something
which he was sure I could fix in five
minutes!
Naturally, it wasn’t that easy and the
first thing I needed was a service manual. To obtain this, I rang the company
responsible for importing these set’s
and was put through to the managing
director. He proved to be most obliging
and helpful. Not only did he promise
to put a manual in the post immediately but, when I quoted the set’s model
number and the symptoms, he made
some suggestions as to the likely cause
of the problem.
The manual arrived promptly and,
with its aid and the suggestions, I
quickly located the problem. A dry
joint had destroyed the horizontal
output transistor, plus an IC which
drives this transistor. It was all perfectly routine and the set was repaired
and returned to the dealer.
And that started the ball rolling. My
dealer colleague suggested I undertake
warranty service for these sets, since
he needed effective local warranty
back-up as part of his sales package. I
didn’t rush in; I needed to clarify the
kind of deal I could expect from the
importer; ie, technical back-up, parts
availability and the financial basis for
warranty jobs.
This resulted in some telephone
discussions and then a visit to their
premises, which proved to be quite
impressive. They were well organised, had a very good service set-up,
an excellent stock of spare parts, and
warranty payment and conditions in
line with usual practice. And so a
mutually satisfactory agreement was
reached.
Nothing much happened at this
level for the next few months. By all
accounts, Grundig TV sets are very
reliable.
Madam calls
Then the phone rang and I quickly
sensed trouble. The caller, a woman
with a rather imperious manner,
indicated that she owned a Grundig
TV set (model ST-70/460) which had
failed and that she had been referred
to me by the dealer. There was no
suggestion of a warranty claim as the
set was well outside this period, but
she wanted me to come to her house,
at that very instant, and fix the set.
And it wasn’t simply a request; it
was delivered more in the manner of
a royal command.
I replied, as quietly as I could, that
I was very sorry but I could not come
at that very instant; I was busy in the
workshop. I would be able to call the
following afternoon, collect the set,
bring it to the workshop, service it
and return it. And I added that there
would be a pick-up and delivery
charge.
“Oh no. That is totally unsatisfactory. No way. The set has to be repaired
in the house”.
Again I had to politely refuse. “I’m
sorry but there is no way that I will
attempt to repair the set in the house.
I have no way of knowing what spare
parts I will require, nor can I do a
proper job without access to suitable
test equipment”.
Initially, she wouldn’t budge and
tried to argue. But I wouldn’t budge
either and I really had the whip
hand. Eventually, very grudgingly,
she agreed to let me take the set and
so an appointment was made for the
following afternoon.
Unfortunately, when I fronted up
the next day, it was all to no avail.
The front door wasn’t even opened.
Instead, the husband came around the
side of the house and informed me that
my services were no longer required;
the set was now OK.
I accepted the situation in good
grace and went on my way. But I
wasn’t very happy. I felt that they
might at least have had the decency to
phone me and save me a time-wasting
trip. But that’s the luck of the game.
The truth is, I suspected that they
had approached someone else to do
the job.
Madam complains
In any case, I imagined that that was
the end of the matter. But no; about
three weeks later I received a phone
call from the managing director of the
importing company. And I sensed that
he was a mite put out. It appeared that
he had been contacted by one of the
party – presumably the woman – and
told that I wouldn’t come to the house
and look at the set.
Well, I lost no time in putting him
straight. And he didn’t take too much
convincing. More to the point, he
supported everything I had done and
indicated his intention of ringing the
customer and straightening things out.
And he was as good as his word.
Some 20 minutes later, a considerably
mollified woman was on the phone
wanting to know when I could pick
up the set. It was early in the week
and I had a pretty full schedule. The
best I could offer was the following
Saturday morning.
No; that was no good. After some
mumbling, she finally suggested that
they would bring the set in themselves,
on the Thursday afternoon. I said that
that was fine by me and so that was
how we left it.
You’re not going to believe this next
bit – or perhaps you’re way ahead of
me. Thursday came and went with
no sign of the set, as did Friday and
Saturday. Then, on the following Wed
nesday, the woman was on the phone
again. I had been called away rather
urgently at the time and had left the
shop in the care of an assistant. And
she copped the woman’s wrath full
blast – a real tear-a-strip-off job because I hadn’t collected the set.
Fortunately, my assistant was fully
aware of situation and gave as good
as she received. More specifically,
she pointed out that the arrangement
was for the customer to deliver the
set. This was vigorously denied by
the customer and so the conversation
ended in a stalemate.
Next morning I was on the phone
first thing. The woman answered,
which was fortunate since she seemed
to be the one doing all the stirring.
I reminded her of the arrangement
whereby she and her husband were
to deliver the set but again this was
denied.
She was obviously prepared to argue
indefinitely over this until I pointed
out that I had written the arrangement
in my workshop diary. Only then
did she stop arguing and agree that I
should collect the set. And so a further
appointment was made.
And this time it worked. I was
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greeted at the door, almost affably,
and shown into the lounge room.
The house was very modern and the
lounge room very large and expensively furnished. Along the full length of
one wall was a built-in, glass fronted,
cupboard which ran from the floor to
about chest height.
The TV set sat on top of this, along
with an impressive hifi system. But
what struck me was the fact that the
shelf formed by the top of the cupboard
was only just deep enough to accommodate the TV set. The point about
all this was that it was quite a tricky
job disconnecting the leads and plugs
from the back of the set. As well as the
antenna and power cord, there was a
cable to the amplifier system which
connected to the set via a European
multi-pin SCART socket.
Moving the set forward, or swinging
it around, created a dangerously un-
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stable situation and I had to support
it with one hand while working on
these various leads. I managed OK but
it was obvious that any idea of working on the set in-situ was completely
out of the question, quite apart from
any other con
siderations. Nor were
there any tables in the room; the only
place to work was on the carpet. And
I doubt whether Madam would have
approved of that.
Anyway, with some help from
her husband, the set was eventually
loaded into the van and taken back
to the shop. But one other point had
been raised while I was there. Madam
insisted that I submit a quote for the
job, before proceeding.
Madam’s quote
Now this is something I normally do
not do. Nor do most other servicemen
that I know. It’s simply not practical
in this game. In a great many cases,
there is no way of assessing the cost
until the job is finished, by which time
one has already expended time and
effort. And while the failure of one
component may be obvious, there’s
no way of knowing whether other
compon
ents have been damaged or
how long it’s going to take to find the
reason for the failure.
When customers raise this matter, I
point out that, if I did quote, it would
have to be a high enough to cover
almost all contingencies. But then, if
it turns out to be something minor, I
can be accused of ripping them off – or
quoting a rip-off price. Most people
accept this and I am always prepared
to put a limit on costs, beyond which I
will not go without consultation. Even
this involves some risk but it’s one that
I’m prepared to take.
So what did I do about Madam’s
demand? I’m afraid I took the coward’s
way out. I’d had enough confrontation
and, since I already had some idea
of the likely fault, I reckoned I could
break the rules for once and work
around this one.
And so, at long last, the set was on
the bench and I could get on with the
real job. At switch-on it was immediately obvious that the switchmode
power supply had shut down. And
the number one suspect in almost all
such cases is the horizontal output
transistor, or something very close
to it.
The relevant portion of the circuit
is reproduced here (see Fig.1) and
shows this transistor (T541, BU508A)
and its associated driver IC (IC500,
TDA8140). This latter arrangement
differs from that usually encountered,
where a driver transistor and coupling
transformer are used.
Anyway, a quick measurement of
T541 confirmed that it had cashed in
its chips. And, acting on advice I had
received from the importer, I suspected that the driver IC would also have
failed. And so it proved to be.
I had both these components in
stock and it was a routine job to fit
them. But I had no illusions that I had
found the real fault; almost certainly,
these were merely the victims. And
again the service personnel’s advice
proved to be spot on.
I went to the tripler (K536) which,
along with the horizon
t al output
transformer, is located in the right rear
corner of the set. A close examination
of this component revealed a small
break in the plastic case.
I fed the set from a Variac and
wound the voltage up slowly while
watching the tripler. Sure enough, as I
approached the normal input voltage,
a telltale corona appeared. I switched
off immediately but I had also seen
enough to suggest that the set would
operate normally.
So a new tripler was needed and I
had one of these in stock also (they
are not cheap, by the way). This
was fitted and the set came good
immediately. I made a few minor
adjustments and the set was back to
new condition.
But what about Madam’s insistence
on a quote before proceeding? Well,
of course, I had needed to “proceed”
before I could assess the cost and
this situation is a classic example of
the futility of customers insisting on
a quote.
Anyway, I toted up the bill and as
a matter of interest it worked out as
follows:
Labour plus transport ............$125.00
BU508A transistor .....................$8.00
Tripler ....................................$116.38
TDA8140 driver IC ..................$59.60
Postage on components .............$5.00
Total .......................................$313.98
I’d taken something of a punt, of
course. How would I stand if, when
I presented the above as a quote, the
customer knocked it back? Well, of
course, I hoped that it wasn’t going
to happen. But considering the aggro
I been through so far, I was even pre
pared to offer to put the faulty parts
back and give them back the set, no
charge.
Drastic? Of course – but I wonder
what they would have done.
In the event, it was all hypothetical. I rang the house and Madam
herself answered the phone. Seeking
to break the ice a little, I facetiously
pulled the old gag of asking which
she wanted first; the good news or
the bad news.
I should have known better; the gag
fell completely flat (I doubt whether
anyone ever laughs in that household).
So I carried on bravely: “the good
news is that there is no problem about
repairing the set. The bad news is that
it is going to cost you $314.00”.
Madam agrees
I fully expected a violent backlash
at that figure. But no; all the woman
Fig.1: the horizontal output stage in the Grundig ST-70/460 colour TV receiver.
The use of an IC driver stage (IC500) for the horizontal output transistor (T541)
is rather unusual.
said was, “how soon can we have the
set back?” I said it would take about
three days. There were a couple of
reasons for the delay. One was purely
diplomatic; she had no idea that the
job was finished. The other was genuinely technical; I wanted to give the
set a good soak test before I returned
it. The last thing I needed was for it
to bounce.
So another appointment was made
and this time everything went without
a hitch. I was greeted courteously,
the husband helped me in with the
set, and we set it up on the bookcase. I switched it on and the sight
of a first class picture was obviously
reassuring.
This photo clearly shows the crack
in the case of the tripler (K536). The
small white plastic box houses the
30MΩ focus control variable resistor.
Then I presented the itemised account. I was half expecting a grumble
when the figure was digested. But no;
the husband pulled out his wallet
and handed me three $100 notes plus
a twenty. I reached for the necessary
change but he waved it away. “No way;
that’s near enough. And I don’t even
want the docket.”
I protested that the gesture wasn’t
necessary but he insisted and I gave
in. But Madam showed her mettle
by insisting on keeping the docket.
Which was no skin off my nose; I had
nothing to hide.
Why did it happen?
And that was the end of my ordeal.
But why did it all happen? Technically, I am now certain that the first
failure was simply a power supply
shut-down caused by the tripler but
without any damage. Had they let me
take the set then, I would have only
needed to replace the tripler and they
would have saved quite a few dollars.
But when it came good temporarily, I
was sent packing.
Domestically, there seems little
doubt that there was a difference of
opinion as to how and by whom the TV
set should be repaired. This situation
became quite clear when I encountered
both parties together when I returned
the set.
The husband simply wanted the
set fixed, without any hag
gling or
mucking about. Madam, on the other
hand, treated me with rudeness and
suspicion from the outset. She was
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was intrigued to learn about how this
valve was to be used and in what kind
of equipment.
I took the valve with me the next
time I went to town and as I handed
it over to the salesman I asked if he
could tell me who wanted it. All he
knew was that it had been ordered by
the local Cadburys chocolate factory
but he had no idea what it was to be
used for. He promised to enquire for
me when someone from the company
called to pick it up.
Metal detector
This is the Cintel IMD (Industrial Metal Detector) in the Cadburys chocolate
factory. The 40-year old design can detect metal fragments that are just 0.5mm
in diameter.
also determined to have it all done her
way and to drive the hardest possible
bargain.
Well, it didn’t turn out to be much
of a bargain in the end.
There’s one final snippet. I wasn’t
the only one Madam dobbed in. While
she was dobbing me in she also dobbed
in my dealer colleague. Her story to
the distribution company was that
the dealer had indicated that he was
no longer handling Grundig sets. This
was her garbled version of the dealer’s
statement that he did not service the
sets; that they should be referred to
yours truly, as an accredited Grundig
service agent.
Fortunately, a few phone calls soon
straightened things out but I think
you can see what I mean by some
people being delib
erately hard to
get on with.
Apples & chocolates
Well, after that, we need a complete
change of scene. And who better to
provide it than our old colleague, J.
L. from Tasmania, the land of apples
and chocolates. This is his story about
the latter.
This is not a “Serviceman” story in
the usual sense. Instead, it’s a look at
servicing in an entirely different field
to that seen by most of us. What’s
more, it turned out to be a very sweet
exercise, in more ways than one!
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A few weeks ago the phone rang
and the voice on the other end asked
if I had a 6J6 that I could let him have.
It turned out to be one of the staff
at a city trade house and he wanted
the item for one of their industrial
clients.
Now, I had to stop and think what
a 6J6 was. You don’t hear words like
that much these days. It turns out that
a 6J6 was twin triode RF amplifier
valve and, as you all know, RF amplifier valves went the same way as
button-up boots.
I’ve had no call for new valves for
over 10 years and what is left of my
stock is stowed away under the house
amid thick dust and spider webs. But if
someone actually wants to buy a valve,
I don’t mind braving the creepy-crawlies to find one.
So half an hour later I had found a
6J6, brand new in its original carton.
It was the only one of its type I had
and that made me wonder just what
was special about this valve. Most
other valve types are represented in
my collection by the dozen. Why was
this one there by its lonesome self?
The 6J6 is an RF amplifier twin triode. It has the cathodes of each triode
tied to a single base pin. I have never
seen such an arrangement in any TV
tuner (the most likely place to find RF
amplifiers) nor in the front-end of any
radio that I have ever worked on. So I
The valve was duly collected but
all he could learn was that it was for
use in a metal detector and had been
ordered by the purchasing officer. I
was on my own if I wanted any more
information.
It occurred to me that any equipment that used valves should now
be classified as “antique” and if
some such equipment was still being
serviced, then there must be a good
story behind it. Accordingly, I rang
the factory the next day and spoke
to the purchasing officer. He put me
in touch with the assistant electrical
engineer, who subsequently showed
me through the factory and let me see
the old valve-type metal detector that
started this story.
The equipment is a “Cintel IMD”
(Industrial Metal Detector) and I learn
ed that it, and some 20 others, had
been installed in 1957/58 as part of the
company’s on-going quality control
program. About five of the machines
remain in service, although only one
is still in continuous operation. Their
places have largely been taken by
several different types of solid state
detectors.
The company’s Purchasing Officer
was able to give me the full history
of the remaining Cintel IMD. He
brought out the original Assets Book
and showed me where the machine
had been ordered in September 1957,
delivered in April 1958 and installed
and working in June 1958.
He was also able to tell me the price
paid for it – 521 pounds (or $1042).
When the Cintel finally retires, it will
be replaced with a modern solid state
machine costing just a shade under
$250,000.
I was also introduced to the Assistant Supervisor (electrical) and taken
on a tour of the factory, to see how
electronics had been introduced into
the confectionery industry.
The first thing we looked
at was the Cintel IMD. This
machine scans an 80cm wide
production line conveyor
belt, looking for any metal
that may have been introduced into the product.
When it was ordered,
the specification was that
the machine had to be able
to detect a 2mm metal ball
anywhere across the line. It
easily succeeded in this task
but, over the years, the technicians have tweaked and
tuned it so that the Cintel can
now detect a piece of metal
only 0.5mm wide near the
centre of the line, and even
smaller at the edges. For all
their refinement, the modern
solid state machines can do
no better.
The power head of the Cintel IMD
contains comparatively little electronics. There are only five valves
in the unit, and all connections are
hard-wired to terminal strips under
the chassis. The 6J6 valve is used as
an RF oscillator, followed by a buffer,
a driver and a push-pull output stage.
Apart from valve failures, the problem which started this story, there has
been remarkably little trouble with
the old machines. The most serious
occurred some 10 years
after they were installed,
when there were a series of
breakdowns when they were
restarted after the Christmas
shut-down.
The problem was soon
traced to defective paper capacitors and replacing these
has prevented any further
breakdowns. It’s a tribute
to the 40-year old design
and the robust British con
struction that the machines
still work perfectly after
all these years, so long as
replacement valves can be
found.
The Cintels are the only
valve devices left at Cad
burys. But there is hardly
any part of the production
line that is not supervised or
monitored by electronics of
one kind or another.
Thank you J. L., for an interesting
story. Its an area of electronics we seldom think about. And half your luck;
I’ve always dreamed about being let
loose in a chocolate factory.
SC
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